More Thoughts on Issues, Etc

From an outsider (me):

I don’t know how many Lutherans realize this, but if the LCMS leadership has been infected by the CGM virus, there is little that can be done to prevent the slide toward an emergent methodology. It may end up being a little more tame than some of the stuff being done in “post-evangelical” circles, but the underlying philosophy, and the acceptance of it by the leadership, dictates that the opposition be purged and dissension is not tolerated. Ever.

Francis Schaffer predicted this in the 1960’s & 1970’s, and it has come to pass. Evangelicalism has been hopelessly ruined because of it. The Lutheran’s may have thought that they were immune, but they were just behind the curve by a couple of decades.

What I heard on the Morning Show the other day from the Synod Pres. sent chills up my spine. If you didn’t know what you were listening to, or who was speaking, it could have been an interview with Rick Warren. He even talked about getting people (unbelievers) to come into the church through the “side door”, and assimilating them into the life of the congregation. Sorry, but that is right out of the CGM playbook.

Lutherans need to educate themselves on what it is that they are dealing with, and read the books from those who have written and spoken out against the CGM and the Purpose Driven Church / Life pogrom, and include works from those who have dealt with this problem on a philosophical level.

The CGM theology comes from their distinctive and unique views on church practice, coupled with an unhealthy dislike for propositional truth, and a disarmament of the sheep accomplished by removing the Word of God from the hands of the people. I saw it when my wife and I were looking for a church, and checked out a few LCMS churches in our area. (We didn’t like what we saw)

This is about more than screens and praise choruses. That is all fluff to distract the faithful. If you are arguing about that, you will miss the bigger picture, and the poison that comes in the back door. Chances are, your pastor has already read the requisite books.( I think I heard that somewhere on the radio, but I can’t remember where just now…)  Look at his library and see for yourself. (If it’s “her” library, its already too late.)

Fore warned is fore armed. The cancellation of Issues Etc may turn out to be the tipping point, IF men rise up and contend for the faith delivered once for all to the saints. If not, the Reformation may ultimately be seen by many as just a flash in the pan, if the Lord tarries.

Peace.

5 Responses to “More Thoughts on Issues, Etc”

  1. reburris Says:

    In environmental science, people sometimes speak of the “dilution solution” It applies most frequently to surface water pollution. Nature will dilute the bad stuff through rainfall. In theology and churches, dilution is the thing that leads to pollution.

  2. Steve Rowe Says:

    Look I loved the show but let’s not idealize it. Todd and co. were excellent advocates for traditional liturgical reformation Christianity and they will be missed and KFUO appears to have treated them extremely shabbily. That being said their one sided defense of the most narrow and reactionary elements in the “Creation Science” undermined their witness to a lot thoughtful non-christens, they had an annoying habit caricaturizing Armenian and dispensational doctrine during there “Evangelical Proof Text” segments and likely turned off a lot of conventional evangelicals who would otherwise have be sympathetic to the more liturgical approach to worship advocated by the LCMS. Most damming as far as I am concerned they allowed John Warwick Montgomery make the most outrageous statements about Islam without comment or challenge gleefully replaying them during there “sound bite of the week” segment. In short Issues Ect represented the best and the worst of the LCMS: intelligent, orthodox and cherishing tradition but also clannish, painfully conservative and I am afraid sometime intolerant. Lets pray that Todd and Jeff land on their feet (I am sure they will they are talented men) and what ever show replaces them keeps the intelligent confessional Lutheran core of the old show but also open itself up more to the best of the larger christen community.

    Regards

    Steve Rowe
    Toronto, Canada

  3. Aaron Nemoyer Says:

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    Here is all sorts of contact information to tell people what you think about this, let them know how important Issues, Etc. was to us, and ask why the show was cancelled:

    Rev. David L. Strand
    Executive Director
    Board for Communication
    (314) 996-1200
    (314) 822-0000
    david.strand@lcms.org

    Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod
    1333 S. Kirkwood Road
    St. Louis, MO 63122-7295
    (88 8) 843-5267
    (314) 965-9000
    FAX: (314) 996-1016
    infocenter@lcms.org

    KFUO Radio Station
    (314) 725-0099
    (314) 725-3030‎
    (314) 721-2969

    Rev. Dr. Gerald Kieschnick
    Synod President
    (314) 996-1402
    (314) 842-7110
    president@lcms.org

    LC-MS Board of Directors
    (314) 996-1350

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    Meanwhile, an online petition has been started up about Issues, Etc. being ended. I don’t know how much good it will do, but it should be able to do some. it certainly can’t hurt to put your name down. Here’s the link:
    http://www.petitiononline.com/Issues/petition.html

    For anyone who comes across this and has Facebook, a lot of discussion it seems is going on at the “Bring back Issues ETC!!!” Facebook group.
    http://facebook.com/group.php?gid=11679316089

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    Finally, financial help for the Schwarz and Wilken families can be sent to the following address. Just put in the memo line that it’s for the “Schwartz/Wilken Fund”. The Schwarzes especially need the help and Rev. Jack Schwarz’s wife Beth has been recently diagnosed with small fiber neuropathy and they need to go to Mayo Clinic to try figuring out what can be done.

    “Schwartz/Wilken Fund”
    Saint Paul Lutheran Church
    P.O. Box 247
    Hamel, IL 62046

    All help and all prayers are appreciated.

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    I will be continuing to post information and resources relating to the cancellation of Issues, Etc. and firing of Rev. Wilken and Mr. Schwarz. So, if you could please help me draw people to the resource of my blog, I would really appreciate it.
    http://latinkid.blogspot.com/2008/03/pulled-from-air-issues-etc.html

    God bless,
    –Aaron Nemoyer

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  5. Roy Price Says:

    In response to Steve Rowe of Toronto: ” The best and the worst of the LCMS”?? What makes Issues, etc and the LCMS different is not about tolerance, but about the truth! Tolerance is the slippery slope that leads to acceptance of un-truths! All one has to do is take a look at the Episcopal Church US. Issues had one mantra, and it was repeated day after day: We preach Christ, and Him crucified!! Pastor Wilkin and Jeff stood on these principles and never wavered. I trust the LCMS feels the same way.

    Roy Price
    O’Fallon, MO

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